Tuesday, September 20, 2005

Starbucks and "the Agenda"


"Let your yeses be yes and your nose be absurd" -Adam. He told me that he's afraid that he will meet a girl with a really absurd nose, and it will distract him from really getting to know her. He still lives in the glory days of being a "bariste" at Starbucks. Back then he could throw a football 200 yards.

Starbucks is all right, but why do people still go there when there are so many other better coffee shops in a city? I mean, it's like Britney Spears in a cd case with ... nevermind, I'm not even going to finish that one. It's like putting Parachutes by Coldplay in the cd player, and always leaving it on repeat on "Yellow."

By the way, there's an interesting article on Starbucks and the "gay agenda" at the Baptist Press website (picture borrowed from), and I'm not calling for a boycott, but I do think you should be aware of what you're supporting and celebrating. Read the article from yourself, in case you don't have time I'm including a photo of it. http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=21387 The adult language is censored out.

What do you think?

23 Comments:

Anonymous Bond said...

what a load...

being open-minded simply means you are not allowed to have your own views... bah, what crap.

This gay agenda is so absurd, because it is mainly hype and media pushing the interests of a FEW people on the masses, and the American cattle, er I mean, people, gobble up everything they are told.

"When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."

Good job people, continue sucking the bottle, and God bless America. (cause we sure won't)

...besides, their coffee is not THAT great (Borders ftw) and their customer service sucks. At five till closing I was told to put my $300. worth of books down and make my selection the next day... so I did - at Given's Books. :)

Wed Sep 21, 09:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

People still read nowadays?

Wed Sep 21, 02:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...And closed-minded means that you think you know everything... which nobody does... except me...

Wed Sep 21, 02:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Christians (especially Baptists... and double-especially Southern Baptists) are so quick to throw around the word "agenda" when referring to other groups of people they disagree with (or persecute, or whatever); you know, Christians are some of the worst people about having an... oh, what's the word I'm looking for?... I think it starts with an "a"... agenda, perhaps?

Wed Sep 21, 02:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maupin isn't saying, "I'm gay, so you should be, too." He's saying that you should live your life the way you want to live it, instead of listening to other people or conforming to some b.s. cookie-cutter lifestyle.

And as far as conservative groups becoming outraged at Starbucks for pushing a "homosexual agenda"... I bet that they wouldn't have a problem if a Starbucks cup included a quotation about accepting Jesus Christ as your Savior being the only way to get into heaven (in other words, a "Christian agenda").

Thu Sep 22, 08:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...be aware of what you put in your kids' hands..."

Kids shouldn't be drinking coffee. Or digging in the trash to get these cups - they shouldn't be doing that either.

Thu Sep 22, 08:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The title on the cup is "The Way I See It," not "Here is My Agenda on a Starbucks Coffee Cup and Everyone Has to Agree With Me - And P.S. If You Are a Child Reading This, You Should Be Gay - BWAH-HA-HA-HA!"

Thu Sep 22, 08:39:00 AM  
Blogger Jonathan said...

You're absolutely right there's a Christian agenda. Just like there's a gay agenda. Call it agenda, call it a worldview, call it an action plan, it's our belief system that motivates us, and our beliefs on what is right. You keep speaking of "agenda" like it's a bad thing. Agendas in and of themselves aren't bad. But they're deemed praiseworthy or dangerous based on one's presuppositions.

Though the cup doesn't say "you have to agree with this," the quote clearly expresses a personal lifestyle choice in a way that commends it to the general public. I could say "my only regret about using heroin is that I repressed my openness about it and missed some great times of getting messed up," but that would be commending an unhealthy lifestyle to the populus.

There is a gay agenda, there is a Christian agenda, and you, the reader, have some agenda of your own. If you don't, then you're destined to fail miserably at whatever you do.

Thu Sep 22, 10:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ALL agendas are bad.

Thu Sep 22, 11:19:00 AM  
Blogger Jonathan said...

It's your agenda to have people believe that

Thu Sep 22, 12:58:00 PM  
Blogger Austin Vane said...

Hey Jonathan! I got to your site by the comment you left on Bethany's blog. Well all I can say is that it is not a gay agenda to turn the world gay. We just simply want to live our lives in peace and not be thwarted with some bible "stuff" all the time. That is fine that Baptists have their views, but I have mine too. And I deserve to live a life of harmony as well as everybody else on the planet. Wasting time deciding what you want to think is right and what you think is wrong is not helping society move forward.

Thu Sep 22, 02:28:00 PM  
Blogger Jonathan said...

Evidently you've spent time "deciding what you want to think is right and what you think is wrong" haven't you? This is not a personal attack, I'd just like to point out that we all have our opinions. I hope that you do not see Baptists, or Christians in general, as someone who is "thwarting" you, because if anyone, Christians should be a people you can turn to, and not feel like you're having to run from.

For Christians who read this, I hope that you will not let this be a fuel for a judgmental attitude, but that you will speak the truth in love to anyone around you, and not make them feel afraid or alienated because of different lifestyle choices.

Thu Sep 22, 05:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Sara said...

Toodles,

"Do you know any other gay words in Italian?"

(Friends step back)

"What's that supposed to mean?"

Thu Sep 22, 06:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A word on Agendas:

Gay people don't have an agenda. They're not trying to turn everyone in the world gay; however, Christians do have an agenda. They're trying to turn everyone in the world Christian.

Thu Sep 22, 06:37:00 PM  
Blogger Mrs The Experience said...

Gay agenda.

Interesting.

I know so many gay people, girls and boys and whatevers, and the ones I call friends are all focused on being better people.

Why does the front of our bodies matter so much when we're deciding love issues? I suggest you all rent "Hedwig and the Angry Inch".

Thu Sep 22, 11:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Amen, sarathena.

Fri Sep 23, 07:23:00 AM  
Blogger Austin Vane said...

Jonathan. Why are Christians then the ones that condemn me? If you want to help someone, don't condemn them or judge them on their life. Christianity struggles to make harmony with all citizens of the world, but you're going about it the wrong way. Picking and choosing phrases or quotes in a bible to condemn someone is not the way. Also if you are going to take thoses verses of homosexuality being bad, then you must take ALL the Bible at face value. That would mean believing that eating shellfish is bad, polyester and cotton should not be worn together, slavery is OK, the earth is flat, the earth is only a few thousand years old etc. Through modern living & science we have either proven these things false, or changed our way of thinking. YET people still quote things from the Bible when they feel something that someone else is doing is wrong. Sorry, to me you are believing in what you want to believe and dismissing the rest. That is not being Christ like, it is being narrow-minded. If God wants us to believe in his Bible and creation story, why put so many things to the contrary? Putting dinosaur bones into the ground with a carbon dating of millions of years old, yet exclaiming that the Earth is but only a few thousand years old, is not Godly to me, it falls more correctly under deceit.

Fri Sep 23, 10:08:00 AM  
Blogger bethy31 said...

Austin..I'm following you around cuz you're so darn cute (when are we going to get a picture of you in clothes ; ) ).

You know I gotta pipe up...Christianity is not about bringing harmony to the people of the world - in fact, Christ says in Matthew 10 that he did not come to bring peace but a sword - He knew His coming would be divisive...Christ came to bring peace between man and God but that can not happen without a relationship with Christ (and Jesus says)- "I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father but by me." The truth of Christ divides people - not harmonizes.

Also, where did you get that Christians believe the earth only to be a few thousand years old?

Mon Sep 26, 03:42:00 PM  
Blogger Scooter said...

There are Christians who believe that the earth is only a few thousand years old. I teach high school, and nearly all of my students believe this. I asked them where they got this idea from, and they said the Bible and their parents.

Besides, Austin isn't necessarily saying that ALL Christians believe that the world is only a few thousand years old; he's simply pointing out a flaw (one of many) of reading the Bible literally. If you read the Bible literally, then (according to this) by following the geneology of Adam, the world is only about six thousand years old.

But this isn't a problem for me because: A) I don't read the Bible literally, and B) I don't think there's one interpretation of the Bible. You can harp on and on all you want and throw theological talking points at me all day, but that won't change my mind (just like me writing this post will have no effect on your beliefs, so I'll stop now).

Tue Sep 27, 05:05:00 PM  
Blogger Austin Vane said...

Thank-you Scooter for clearing that up. You are very wise as well.

Tue Sep 27, 08:38:00 PM  
Blogger Bradley said...

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Wed Sep 28, 12:20:00 AM  
Blogger Bradley said...

To live without an agenda is to live without a purpose. To do anything without an agenda is to do it without purpose. Purposeless living is unvirtuous. Wouldn't you agree? How can any deed or action be deemed virtuous if the action is done without any virtuous motivations?

Jonathan - I understand. Pick and choose wisely. I think your right. Everyone has an agenda. If anyone claims he or she has no agenda, then at least we could say they have the agenda of wanting people to believe they have no agenda (or else they wouldn't waste their time saying so). Like when people say there is no such thing as absolute truth--which is absolutely absurd and self-defeating. There are so many agenda's itching to be expressed on sites like this it's hard to keep them from coming out. knamsayincuz?

Wed Sep 28, 12:23:00 AM  
Blogger bethy31 said...

Scooter, thank you for clarifying Austin's point for him...ha!

Wed Sep 28, 10:30:00 AM  

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